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A SDOT commissioned study with results on traffic improvements along Rainier Ave. South.
SDOT - Southeast Transportation Study
CaseyWCaseyW 1210655464|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

This is very comprehensive study that has many recommendations that would affect the way we get around and between our neighborhoods. The study seeks to address safety for pedestrians and vehicles alike. As well as address the changes in traffic and pedestrian needs with the addition of the Link light rail system next year. The study can be found here:

http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/ppmp_sets.htm

The reports are in .pdf format on the right hand side.

Some of the interesting recommendations include changing Rainier avenue south from Alaska to Rainier beach from four lanes to three lanes (center lane for turning). There are recommendations for the Rainier/MLK intersection as well. Personally I think it should be changed to a large traffic circle to facilitate traffic and safety.

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Anonymous (24.19.32.x) 1210795217|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

This is a very good study. I'd like to know how best to get action on the items listed? It was written in the report that the idea of the Rainier "road diet" has been out there since the 70's! Would citizen comments, a petition, testifying at the Ped Safety Committe for City Council help move this along?
Diana

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Anonymous (75.92.206.x) 1211815445|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

There are several recommendations that would directly affect Columbia City. Particularly #29-31, although many of those from #24-33 would also impact traffic. #29 is the key one - limiting Rainier to 3 lanes.

This unknown cost, but highly ranked recommendation, seems to me to be overkill. Limiting traffic to a single lane with some turn lanes will result in much longer travel times along the road and will make residential roads a preferred alternative for commuters and even some truckers. This could decrease pedestrian & bicyclist safety. It could hurt local businesses as well and lead to the "strip" design for Rainier Ave that the City seems to prefer rather than a clustered (Columbia & Hillman City) approach that provides a village feel.

The recommendations concerning Brandon Ave and 39th & Rainier are solid and should be implemented quickly.
— Tom Karwaki

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DeeJayKDeeJayK 1211905857|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Which residential streets would you anticipate would suffer from increased traffic were the 3-lane Rainier proposal implemented?

In looking at a map, I see very few viable residential alternatives to Rainier in the area of the proposed change. The only streets I see that closely parallel Rainier for any significant, uninterrupted stretch are 46th and perhaps 48th Avenue. However, these both have at least one stop along this route (at Othello) and they both run into the Seward Park Comm. Ctr./New School site at Cloverdale.

The only street that I could see shouldering any significant increased traffic burden would be Seward Park Avenue, which I wouldn't truly describe as residential since it is striped. Seward Park Ave contains several four-way stops along the route between Dawson and Rainier.

I'm not sure I would seriously consider any of these alternatives a better option than even a slower Rainier Ave.

Also, a similar 4-lanes to 3-lanes change was made in the section of Rainier Avenue between Renton and Rainier Beach a couple of years ago. Having travelled this section many times since, I've not noticed an appreciable difference in travel times along this stretch due to this change.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by the change to "strip" from "clustered"? I'm not sure how a four-lane Rainier avenue provides a "village feel" that would be lost.

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SDOT: Rainier is off its diet
scottplanscottplan 1223686104|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

… before it was ever on one. Here's an email from Tony Mazzella and Eric Widstrand from Seattle's Department of Transportation.

Rainier Ave S meeting follow-up
From: Sara Robertson (voG.elttaeS|nostreboR.araS#voG.elttaeS|nostreboR.araS)
Sent:Fri 10/10/08 3:23 PM


Hello,

Thank you for participating in the recent discussion of the technical analysis of the mobility impacts of a potential conversion of Rainier Ave. S from its current 4-lane cross-section to 3-lanes with center turn-lane. The issue is technically complex and can be quite emotional for some, particularly those who are strong advocates for one alternative over the other. While the discussion became heated at times, it was very satisfying to experience such a high level of participation among those who attended. I hope you had an opportunity to get your points across. If you have more to say, please don’t hesitate to contact any of us.

While we will continue to hold discussions with community stakeholders on the proposed conversion, it is clear to us that using the best available information and traffic projections, conversion to a 3-lane cross-section in the near-term would result in very significant delays on Rainier for transit and all other traffic. Severe delay would also occur for motorists trying to turn on to or cross Rainier. Traffic would be diverted, some into the neighborhoods.

However, we recognize the need for improvements for all corridor users including bicyclists, pedestrians, transit users, and motorists. Therefore, as a near-term solution SDOT plans to move forward to design a 4-lane street section that includes transit, pedestrian, bicycle and traffic calming improvements. These improvements include:

  • Bus “bulbs” that reconstruct and widen sidewalks at bus stops, provide additional waiting space, and allow buses to stop in-lane and not have to fight to get back into traffic
  • New pedestrian lighting and bike racks
  • Striping the parking lane to better distinguish the travel lane from the parking lane; striping the centerline in such as way as to help calm traffic and thus improve safety
  • Special treatment at existing crosswalks and special signs in the business districts
  • Bicycle “sharrows” to increase motorist awareness that bicycles are present

SDOT will continue to monitor traffic patterns on Rainier. If, in the future, traffic volumes fall or are projected to fall as more traffic uses MLK Jr. Way or people make other travel choices, we will reconsider the 3-lane alternative. In the interim, we will work diligently to improve the design of Rainier to better accommodate all travel modes.

SDOT is available to meet with individual groups to discuss both study results and the proposed corridor improvements. Please contact Sara Robertson via phone at 733-9973 or via email at vog.elttaes|nostrebor.aras#vog.elttaes|nostrebor.aras.

Thank you,

Tony Mazzella and Eric Widstrand

Sara Robertson
Associate Transportation Planner
Seattle Department of Transportation
Phone: 206.733.9973

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Anonymous (146.129.86.x) 1224171643|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I am concerned that the presentation focused almost exclusively on increased commute times and didn't address all the benefits of increased safety for motorists, pedestrians and bicyclists and the increased feeling of community that a road diet would provide. I would like to see continued exploration of this possibility beyond one lopsided meeting.

Right now Rainier Avenue is the second most dangerous road in all of Seattle and although efforts have been made, I think we need a lot more than a few traffic bulbs and red light cameras to slow traffic down so it's not taking your life in your hands to drive, walk or bike down Rainier.

Diana

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