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City identifies possible uses for Columbia School
scottplanscottplan 1246028399|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Columbia School

Apparently the School District has asked the City's Department of Planning and Development (DPD) to interpret how it can use the eight buildings subject to recent school closures. That includes Columbia School, where the Orca K-8 program used to be, and where the New School has operated for the past couple years.

Here's the notice for DPD's interpretation.

And here's the interpretation itself.

Columbia School is located in a residential lowrise 1 zone, which is typically reserved for small apartment buildings and townhomes, as well as institutions (like churches and schools). Interpretations are meant to clarify how the Code applies to certain cases, so this spells it out for us.

Through a special public review process, it's possible to use old school buildings for many different things, including what's otherwise not possible in a residential zone. To allow those uses, the District would need to convene a School Use Advisory Committee (SUAC).

I wonder — that the District requested this interpretation makes me think they'd prefer not to start the SUAC process. Or maybe they're just mapping out their options.

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Scott (guest) 1246246875|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thanks for posting all of this information. It's very helpful.

Do I understand the "Interpretation Memo" correctly that all new "institutions" (including neighborhood based non-profits) not listed in C1 require a Conditional Use Permit because they'd be within 600 feet of another "institution"? Does the city have a "dispersion" policy related to "institutions" in Lowirse Zoning that restricts too many institutions near other institutions?

Also, can you tell us how difficult it is for non-profits to get an administrative conditional use permit or for the Farmers Market to get an annual temporary use permit?

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scottplanscottplan 1246283370|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I think that's right, Scott. Institutions meeting all development standards (such as setbacks, lot coverage, height) are permitted outright in residential lowrise zones. But if the institution doesn't meet just one of the development standards, then it's subject to Administrative Conditional Use (ACU) review — except for the C1 provision.

Dispersion is a development standard applied to institutions located in residential zones. The idea, I think, is to recognize that residential zones are traditionally where we find churches, schools and the like — but that their impacts (parking, etc) are more acceptable if they're spread fairly evenly.

Zion is there. So is the former Southside Church of Christ, among others. But in spite of the dispersion standard, C1 allows certain instutional uses outright.

Seattle Municipal Code 23.45.004C states:

C. Uses in existing or former public schools:

  1. Child care centers, public or private schools, educational and vocational training for the disabled, adult evening education classes, nonprofit libraries, community centers, community programs for the elderly and similar uses are permitted in existing or former public schools.
  2. Other non-school uses may be permitted in existing or former public schools pursuant to procedures established in Chapter 23.78, Establishment of Criteria for Joint Use or Reuse of Schools.

Due to the dispersion issue, a change to other institutional uses would require ACU review. When the Northwest Federation of Community Organizations applied to change use for the Southside Church of Christ, the review was about three months.

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scottplanscottplan 1246205211|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Mikala sent this note to the neighborhood's Columbia School listserv:

So…. this means they *won't* have to go through a public process in order to repurpose the building?

(Is it petty for me to point out that it is *no* *longer* *Orca*?)

Thanks for posting this,

mik

(And in related Columbia School news, she also posted this great insight on her blog.)

First, full disclosure: I'm a land use planner at the City's Department of Planning and Development (DPD). I generally don't have any role in development proposals in South Seattle, but I work with the people who do.

This interpretation is meant to spell out how future tenants can use the school, independent of any DPD-administered public process.

Columbia School is located in a residential Lowrise 1 (L1) zone, which typically accommodates new townhomes and apartments, three stories tall. It also allows for institutions, which include schools and churches, among several other options.

Principal uses permitted outright are types of activities that are allowed to occur in this zone without any special process. In the case of former public schools, it's possible to allow other uses (retail, say) by convening a School Use Advisory Committee (SUAC). SUAC could expand the range of options available to the District and the community for this site. It involves process and public input, with all their potential merits and pitfalls: flexibility, creativity, responsiveness, opportunity, time & money, and uncertainty.

A classic example of a SUAC result is Wallingford Center, which contains a range of retail and community-centered uses.

It seems the District is looking to define its range of options independent of any SUAC review. That might be faster, but the options would be more limited and neighbors would have less access to influence the outcome.

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Mikala Woodward (guest) 1246208784|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi Scott,

Thanks for this background info. And for the shout-out to our blog. The link didn't work for me, alas, so here's it is, in case anyone else had trouble:

http://kiddewoodward.blogspot.com/2009/06/gimme-sign.html

Latest rumor I heard is they're going to put the Interagency high school program at Columbia (I believe Joanne was the one who predicted, this months ago). After all that! Ah well, maybe they were right to stonewall us so long, if they really were still considering whether to use it themselves for another school. It's just so hard not to read all kinds of behind-the-scenes machinations into the stubborn silence of a dysfunctional, beleaguered bureaucracy, isn't it?

And who knows — maybe that plan will fall apart, and it'll all open up again.

Sigh.

mik

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Joanne Kelly (guest) 1246389368|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

A little communication would go a long way to avoid all this frustration! Not to mention keeping the rumor mill from spinning into far-flung areas. And if the district doesn't't know, then at least tell us they don't know.

If they're going to move Interagency to Columbia School, I'm still confused as to why they the school was put on the inventory list posted in April.

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Steve (guest) 1247673095|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

What is the "Interagency School?"

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advocate for community use (guest) 1247961903|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Interagency is where the kids who can't participate in regular schools are sent — like kids in or just getting out of juvie, homeless kids, kids in rehab, etc.

http://www.seattleschools.org/area/spi/interagency.ndex.dxml

It's a good program, but in my opnion not the best use for that site, which is an unparalleled chance to create a vibrant community facility to link downtown Columbia City with MLK and the light rail line.

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Jesse Pablo (guest) 1247989503|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I was thinking that the Columbia School would make a great candidate for a multi-language school like John Stanford. I've been told that this neighborhood has nearly 46 languages spoken, and is one of the most diverse in the nation. We need to keep it diverse. A school like that only helps us as a community and mold our next generation to embrace diversity. However, if our community has many of those kids who are in and out of trouble, then maybe a school like Interagency makes sense. After all, if they are closer to adulthood, it is up to us as a community to make sure we mold them as productive and contributing adults. Especially if they continue to be part of our community into adulthood. Our future depends on them!

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theo nassar (guest) 1248182962|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Paul Doyle is sponsoring a bookfair in Oct. at Columbia School calling it the Columbia City Event Center (see yesterday's Times article)

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scottplanscottplan 1249390850|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

From Northwest Hub, a new project managed by Columbia Citizen Ashley DeForest:

The Seattle Committee to Save Schools has challenged a city decision to allow recently-closed schools to host more activities. The city’s decision, issued last month by the Department of Planning and Development (DPD) and reported by Northwest Hub, made it easier for eight closed and closing schools to host activities that would otherwise require approval by the school use advisory committee.

The Seattle Committee to Save Schools opposed the closure of the affected schools in the first place, partly from a belief that closure would result in the transfer of public assets to the private sector. The group has filed legal challenges to other school-related decisions within the city, including sales of school facilities and rental agreements with private organizations.

The group’s formal challenge will be heard by the city hearing examiner on August 12 at 9:00 a.m. at the Seattle Municipal Tower. The public is welcome to attend.

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Ashley DeForest (guest) 1249516844|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Scott,

Thanks for the friendly mention! We will definitely be following up on the School District's plans for reuse of Columbia School.

Also, if there's any other land use planning issues the community is interested in hearing more about, please let me know. We're always looking for story ideas that will be pertinent to people's everyday lives.

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I think the Columbia School is a perfect opportunity for a community charrette...
Alex (guest) 1253388792|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Walking by the school again last night it seemed to me that this is precisely the kind of neighborhood gem that, if left to the tender mercies of bureaucratic process and school board politics, may well end up lost, turned into something that offers limited benefit to the community, or just neglected. As I understand it, it's unlikely to become a school again, and given the inertia of the system, it may end up being used for cheapest/easiest uses for years, or just left vacant.

That's clearly not what the neighborhood wants, at least from the conversations I've been in and overheard. The sentiment I hear is that if it's not going to be a thriving neighborhood school, let's at least make this a thriving neighborhood institution of SOME sort.

I've heard a ton of ideas around the neighborhood for what to do with the Columbia School. There seem to be lots of people thinking about how to use thus site so that the building itself can be preserved and find new life while the property as a whole is redeveloped in some way that becomes an amenity and resource for the whole community (and preferably doesn't include trailers, in my view).

As far as I can see, this is a public property with no known future, one that contains a graceful and loved historic building, and a lot of unused or poorly-used land. It's a great building on a full block one block from a neighborhood core and two blocks from light rail. It can be anything the community wants it to be. This kind of opportunity is really rare in a city like Seattle, and won't come again in our neighborhood.

I've heard it proposed as a community nonprofit center, like the Good Shepherd center in Wallingford; as a neighborhood arts facility, like the Youngstown arts center; as a neighborhood hub and tool library like the Phinney neighborhood center; as a sustainability workshop and learning center, where people can learn everything from organic gardening to home solar installation, can get a zipcar or some tomato starts for their yard; a public market which could house the farmers' market outside and local craftspeople inside; or (my hobby horse) a co-working facility with day care… and these are just the ideas I've heard (sorry if I mangled any of them).

Any one of these would be better than what we're likely to get. Some community-selected blending that created a unique place would be an amazing benefit to the whole neighborhood, arguably the whole city.

All it needs is a vision and a group of people willing to push things forward a bit.

There are tools for creating group visions. One of them is the "charrette." It's a term used by architects and planners and designers to mean a short, focused collaboration by a group of people to come up with creative solutions to a specific problem. Maybe we need a neighborhood charrette for the Columbia School's future?

In any case, we certainly need more discussion of what we'd like to see happen there…

Ashley, I'd love to see you guys follow up on this both editorially… and perhaps as part of a citizen process? Maybe you guys could create the charrette?

Who else might like to get involved in creating something like this?

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Mikala Woodward (guest) 1253509638|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hey Alex,

Oh, this post makes me so SAD! It's frustrating that we keep spinning around in this same place — what's it been, five years since this first came up? When was that first Friends of Columbia School meeting? — but honestly, the district still hasn't figured out what they are going to do with the site. And until they do, it's really hard to get beyond the "Wow, we have lots of great ideas" stage and move toward making something happen.

Maybe it's worth it to have a charrette or a public process of some kind and come up with a vision for the site even without any participation or information from the district (that's a wall I can't see banging my head against any more, personally). Maybe we should just do it, even though there's a pretty good chance they'll be sticking another school in there at some point… I love how positive you are about this, and I'd love to participate in that conversation, if we can make it happen.

What I REALLY want to do, though, is go in there and start dismantling those portables board by board. We'll need firewood to keep the boiler going when we decide to occupy the building, El Centro style.

Cheers,

mik

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Mikala Woodward (guest) 1253510752|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Oh dear, I didn't mean to sound so CRABBY! I'm sorry. Folks out there with positive energy to put into a visioning process, please ignore my bitter griping!

mik

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Alex (guest) 1253638092|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I'm not suggesting working with "the process" whatever the heck that'll be on this. In my experience, the Seattle process is 98% broken and generates at best halting progress and mediocrity — see, for instance, the neighborhood planning processes, which soak up a lot of smart, well-intentioned people's time and still haven't secured much in real change in most places. I'm very disillusioned with the way the process works now, which essentially seems to default to the safest milquetoast vision that NIMBYs and auto-dependent businesses in the area won't attack too hard.

I'm suggesting having a plan (or at least a fleshed-out idea) from the neighborhood, ready to put forward as the moment to decide presents itself. And it might as well be an idea that's really what we'd want, rather than whatever fits into the parameters we'd otherwise be handed. What would we do if we could do anything? Because in actuality, we pretty much can, if we care enough.

And I am all for occupying the place. If there were more direct action, Seattle's land use, transportation and education might not be in such disarray… ;) I'll bring the sandwiches, you write the slogans. We'll get the kids to paint the banners.

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Mikala (guest) 1253749396|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay, Alex. I'm in. For charretting, sandwiches, occupation — whatever.

http://kiddewoodward.blogspot.com/2009/09/strange-signs-in-neighborhood.html

Cheers,

mik

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Stefka (guest) 1253759762|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Having just moved to the neighborhood, and a big reason for this being the sense of pride that this community holds, I must say that I am very interested in this proposal. Instead of letting this property decay in abandonment, or be transformed into a "settling on the lowest common denominator," I vote for the "What Would We Do If We Could Do Anything" approach! Thank you Alex, for the dialogue. I want to pay close attention to this and help out where I can.

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Vera (guest) 1254331210|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Anything goes? Community P-patch gardens, dance school (me as director, as I am a ballet teacher), Pilates studio (me again), artist studios, non-profit arts organizations' offices, day care or pre-school, permanent farmer's market, cafe/bakery/bistro, tool library, toy library (these work wonderfully in NZ). Wow, I have so much enthusiasm and so little money. But I will help how and when I can!

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Joanne Kelly (guest) 1254336126|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Vera, I love the idea of both a tool and toy library. I've often thought of getting a barter bank going - having a community lending library (magazines, books, toys, tools, whatever) would be great.

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Alex (guest) 1254382211|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I went into a toy library when I was in Auckland last year — it was so cool! We should totally have one in our neighborhood…

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