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				<title>More police on the streets</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Tom</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I read in Ideasforseattle that there are 30 cops on Lake Union. I can't believe there's that much crime!!! Maybe we can get a dozen of them reassigned to patrol around here. I know I'd feel better walking to the market if I knew there were some cops around!!!</p> 
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				<title>Paid Signature Gatherers Wanted</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Ellen Taft</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Action Seattle needs Signature Gatherers through September</p> <p>Qualifications: outgoing personality, sales experience a plus, presentable appearance, articulate</p> <p>Pay: $.75 per signature, One hour training @$15 per hour.<br /> Duties: go to events, farmer's markets and street fairs and collect signatures for Charter Amendment ( nothing to do with Tim Eyman)<br /> Hours: Flexible, days or nights, definetly Sat. and Sun during the day.</p> <p>Contact: <span class="wiki-email">moc.liamg|1sniktawerd#moc.liamg|1sniktawerd</span>, send resume with availability.</p> 
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				<title>Re: old-fashioned, dedicated &quot;bulletin board&quot; on Rainier?</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>David Keyes</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>It would be great to dedicate a panel of the current two kiosk bulletin boards for this. There are narrower panels at each corner that could be used. This is what we originally intended them for when we built it, but it's devolved… Actually they need just a bit of work, putting in some cork on the boards so you don't hurt your thumb putting up an announcement, and cleaning up the corner panels. I'd be happy to work with others on it.<br /> Call me at 722-4369 if interested.</p> 
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				<title>Re: frustrating meetings</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jack</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>There's a lot of negative energy to be dealt with out there. Converting it into something positive will always be a challenge. When you see adults acting like children, try to remain calm and friendly, get their attention, and point out to them that as an outsider, you feel completely left out. If they attack you for trying to improve the situation, there was no opportunity that existed in the first place. The "openness" of the meeting was then just an illusion. And without new blood and fresh ideas regularly coming into their situation, they will eventually extinguish their own efforts. Their meetings are therefore ill-conceived and relatively insignificant, in the scheme of things.</p> 
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				<title>frustrating meetings</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Stan</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I regret to say that I echo the comments about frustrating meetings and lack of diversity. I attended two meetings last year and saw painfully inept meeting management and overt avoidance of responsibility to commit energy into building diversity in the group ("We're no worse than any other community group." "No one in today's world has the time to do that kind of outreach." "We must be realistic and accept this as being representative enough").</p> <p>Since there was no printed agenda and no perceptible meeting process, as an outsider, I couldn't know what the meeting was about, where it might be going or how I might be included. I felt like an unwelcome bystander with no access to the power in the organization and no rules for me to follow to attain that access. Instead, what I saw was a free-flowing conversation among three or four people who already knew what each other were talking about. Finding it cliquish, I left, not wanting to return. It's possible to be trained in managing groups like this. It's also possible to improve diversity. There has to be commitment to do that, though, and I doubt that the people I saw on those occasions would be so committed. The mission is important, as is the community this group purports to represent. Unfortunately, it feels like it would be a waste of my time to try to be involved as it now stands.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Can&#039;t open your Bylaws to read them</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>"What do you think of the <a href="http://columbiacitizens.net/local--files/cccc:welcome/CCCC%20By-Laws.doc">bylaws</a>?"</p> <p>I won't belabor my point.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Can&#039;t open your Bylaws to read them</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>what os are you using? c64? free office .doc readers are widely available on windows and mac and unix, no?</p> <p>what is the link that you can't open? all i can find is a link to a pdf, but maybe it was updated?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Can&#039;t open your Bylaws to read them</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>OK, looks like Open Office 3 Final will be officially released 10/13/2008, but can be grabbed, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/10/open-office-3-final/">early, from the mirrors</a>.</p> <p>So I've waited four days for an answer. I'm downloading a 163Mb installation package now. In half an hour I'll be able to run the installer. I'm unfamiliar with Open Office, but that's OK because I'm savvy. Then I can read your Bylaws.</p> <p>Could you make it any less convenient? I'm just saying.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Can&#039;t open your Bylaws to read them</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Go get Open Office - <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/">http://www.openoffice.org/</a></p> 
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				<title>Can&#039;t open your Bylaws to read them</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I tried to read your Bylaws but I don't own any software that will open the .doc format.</p> <p>Will you please make them available as text, html, or pdf?</p> <p>Thanks!</p> 
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				<title>CCCC Meeting, 7/7/08 6pm at the Library</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Columbia City Community Council Meeting, 7/7/08, 6pm at the Columbia City Library, basement meeting room.</p> <p>— Presentation by City Councilman Nick Licata<br /> — Planning for outreach and summertime events</p> <p>Bring your questions and concerns!</p> 
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				<title>Re: Community leaders will draw others</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Uh-oh! I'm not sure Sally Clark realized she was supposed to attend the Dec. 17 meeting. Sorry about that! I know I've talked with a few people about this great effort to get a community council/alliance/collaborative going. I'm excited to see all the energy here and would love to come to the next meeting.</p> <p>Scott or someone — maybe we could talk beforehand?</p> <p>Sally<br /> 684-8802</p> 
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				<title>Re: Gracias por la traduccion.</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Meetings go much more smoothly if people are led using Robert's Rules of Order (parliamentary procedure). In other words, there are formal rules for running meetings, whether they be neighborhood meetings or corporate meetings. These rules exist for the purpose of running efficient meetings that don't waste everyone's time (e.g., listening to someone's personal 5-minute rant in the middle of a meeting), nurture understanding, and don't allow personal attacks or the questioning of another's intent.</p> <p>People should have respect enough for their neighbors to not go off on random rants, go off topic whenever they feel like it, complain for the sake of complaining, and attack others' ideas or intent. Such people should be pulled aside immediately at meetings and reminded of the meeting rules and why they exist. Repeat offenders should be barred from a set number of future meetings.</p> <p>The meetings I have been to have been fairly homogeneic. I don't see much representation outside of that for white folks between the ages of 25 and 55, despite that the neighborhood is clearly a mix of ethnicities. When the meetings are more representative of the neighborhood, the degree of potential conflict will likely rise, due to cultural and language differences. It will be more important than even to be prepared for this, when it happens.</p> <p>If people are offering translation services for free, for community projects, please post their contact information.</p> <p>Thanks for reading.</p> 
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				<title>Re: not a nice place to be</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>There’s been a lot of tension at our recent meetings and it’s not exactly clear to me why. It may just take time to build trust in a neighborhood that’s going through lots of changes. In time, I hope the group will relax as we get to know each other, open up to diverse opinions, and take on some exciting projects. Unil then, it'd be great if you would share some of your ideas on this Wiki page.</p> 
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				<title>Re: not a nice place to be</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I am sorry that your experience was so alienating. I hear where you are coming from, because it has been a process with ups and downs. Starting a new organization and working with groups of people can be a challenge. And this has been a challenging process to get going. It has also been organic— made out of what each person has brought to the group and been willing to commit. Clearly, it will only become what folks put into it. Right now there is a pretty committed group of people trying to put energy forth and make something that will run and be sustainable. Meanwhile, people who never knew one another are getting to know each other and the issues of our community. This is a neighborhood group!</p> <p>Our community is so full of ideas and wonderful projects I would love to see this neighborhood group eventually end up as a forum where people/ other neighborhood groups could come and get neighbors inspired to work with them. The challenge is to create a sustaining forum that is inclusive. Speaking up about the bylaws &amp; coming to enough meetings so that when the bylaws are ratified your voice will count is of utmost importance!</p> 
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				<title>Bylaws FLASH</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>We'll be getting together tonight at 6:00pm at Lotties.</p> 
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				<title>not a nice place to be</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>i have to say that i was initially excited to participate in this group and to be a part of community efforts. But after attending one meeting i was so upset i don't think i will ever go back. i could not believe the level of anger and nastiness that was present. this is not the kind of neighborhood effort i want to be a part of. i hope other meetings will not be so alienating because if they are this will truly not be an inclusive group. good luck. i wish this group well but don't think i will ever go back.</p> 
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				<title>Bylaws Meeting</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The bylaws meeting WILL NOT be on Monday, December 10th at Lottie's. There are some scheduling conflicts. We'll let you know what day this coming week we'll get together. Doug</p> 
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				<title>comments on the draft bylaws</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Thank you to the folks who have worked on <a href="http://ColumbiaCitizens.net/local--files/cccc:welcome/Draft%20Bylaws%20and%20Mission%20Statement" >pulling together some draft bylaws</a>.</p> <p><strong>Abbreviated name</strong>: For me, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/p3gdl" >C4</a> evokes images of explosions, combat, and destructive reactions. <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/foresee" >4C</a>, in contrast, connotes insight and vision. If Columbia City Community Council is to be the group's name, and if we need to further abbreviate CCCC, then I’d propose 4C.</p> <p><strong>Focus</strong>: I’d hope that members of this group would think of themselves as a collaborative body organized to build power here and work on projects within Columbia City. For my part, I’m interested in participating with neighbors in community-driven projects. I don’t see <a href="http://seattleweekly.com/2007-10-24/news/warring-southeast-seattle-factions-nearly-come-to-blows-over-their-future.php?page=full" >wrangling with the Southeast District Council</a> as a particularly meaningful or fruitful focus for the CCCC.</p> <p><strong>Conflict of interest</strong>: I’d be interested in seeing how other community councils address questions of interest conflicts. If all members participate in good faith and presume that their peers are doing likewise, then this provision makes sense. But past experience makes me concerned with how it’s to be fairly applied. For instance —</p> <ul> <li>In questions of future development, would the realtors among us have a pecuniary interest uncommon to other members? Not necessarily, but this provision might be construed to say so.</li> <li>If someone lives next door to a problem (crime in a park, say, dangerous traffic on an arterial, or the blank wall of a future six-story development), then would they have a personal interest not common to other members? I think maybe, but that should never prevent them from advocating for a community-based solution.</li> <li>My concern here is also personal and borne out by recent experience. I’m a land use planner at the City, where I review applications for development (mostly north of the Ship Canal). In past community meetings, a few neighbors have repeatedly interrupted me in midsentence to challenge me about my professional role. They see a conflict of interest – I respectfully and firmly disagree. In neighborhood questions involving City-administered public process, will such people be allowed to prevent me from participating in this group?</li> </ul> <p>If this provision is to remain, I think it should be clearly spelled out how members are to be voted off the island.</p> <p><strong>Boundaries</strong>: As an area to focus our efforts, <a href="http://ColumbiaCitizens.net/local--files/cccc:welcome/Draft%20Neighborhood%20Boundaries" >the described neighborhood boundaries</a> seem to be appropriate, except I think 50th Ave S would be a better eastern boundary and I think Rainier Vista should also be included.</p> <p><strong>Membership</strong>: Inclusion of interested participants is a good theme. Membership should certainly be open to anyone who lives within walking distance of the landmark district — say, within ½ mile. The draft bylaws don’t state that members must live within the boundaries — that strikes me as a good thing. If there’s a driving urge that draws proactive people to a group like this, it’s a common interest in working together within the neighborhood. We should avoid arbitrary limits to membership that might make otherwise engaged neighbors feel unwelcome.</p> <p><strong>Voting</strong>: Attendance prerequisites for voting seem to be a difficult thing to monitor, to document, and to enforce. If there must be an attendance requirement for voting, I suggest it should be a single meeting within the last six, rather than two in twelve. In any case, votes should be necessary only when there is clear disagreement and consensus isn’t possible. I don’t know how that idea jibes with Robert’s Rules.</p> <p>And here are some typos:<br /> • page 2, paragraph 2, ln 3: “members of the Board” should be “members”,<br /> • page 2, paragraph 5, ln 2: “of the Alliance” should be “of the organization”.</p> 
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				<title>Re: suggestions</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I like having the word "Collaborative", and I really like Hillman City's choice of "Neighborhood Alliance." I'm concerned "Community Council" will turn people away who don't want to spend meetings talking only about bylaws and divisive issues. The City says it doesn't matter what the group calls itself - they'll be recognized all the same, regardless.</p> 
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